M: So maps. How often do you use maps, dear listener? Rory told us about online versions. So I often use online maps or online versions of maps. But there are also paper maps or printed maps. And you know, I used to use paper maps. When I was travelling by bicycle, we had paper maps of Italy, of Greece, like paper maps. So we were kind of like... We were following our route. Route? Like your way. Like where to go. It was so cool. But now everything is like inside a smartphone. So online maps, Google maps. What maps do you use? Or apps.
R: Not everything because I just looked in the library very quickly. And I found a copy of the 1973 version of Lord of the Rings. And inside is the paper version of what Middle Earth looks like. So there you go. That is a demonstration of what a paper map looks like.
M: The Lord of the Rings, Rory. We're discussing maps.
R: Yeah, The Lord of the Rings, it looks like that. But there's a map inside the book. I couldn't find a proper atlas. I'm sorry.
M: Atlas, dear listener. What is an atlas? Atlas.
R: It's a book with maps. There we go. But the Lord of the Rings is a novel with a map in it. You don't look very happy about Lord of the Rings.
M: Yeah. Because we're talking about maps. Like as travelling. When you navigate.
R: No, no, no. You can have maps everywhere. You can have maps anywhere you like. You can have it in a book for a story or you can have it for traveling in a real place.
M: I use a map to check out how long it takes to get to a place, okay? Or you can say that I use a map to check out my route.
M: Right? So route, the way. My way. Where to go.
R: And you can check out how long it will take you to get to a place because, well, the online versions of maps often have an estimated time of arrival.
M: I'm good at reading maps, or I'm good at what? Navigation? At navigating?
R: Well, navigating doesn't always involve using a map, it involves following some kind of route, but the route could be in your head to following directions from a person or reading the map to find your way.
M: I have a very good sense of direction. Okay? So if I tell you to go left, go right, go there, you are good at following directions. Right? So, oh, Rory, where's your house? It's kind of it's in Scotland, go left.
R: It's in Scotland. That's enough.
M: Directions. So you can say that I have a very good sense of direction. So I can just open a map and... Okay. And I know where to go. Right? Or I don't have a good sense of direction.
R: Do you have a good sense of direction?
M: Oh, yes. Yeah. Very good sense of direction. Sometimes I can mess it up. But still, generally, I'm quite good. And I remember things in the city, even in a new city, I can remember things. And then I just can find my way around. Okay? Yeah. Because I lived in... One month I lived in Bangkok, in Brussels, in Baku. You know, so I've been around, and I was quite good.